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WhiteMoose
2012-02-18, 21:00
I saw something on battlelog.

Someone posted some leaked patch notes.
He refered to another battlelog post and a tweet. The tweet has been removed and the battlelog post has been hidden by administrators.

The post I read contained what would seem to be a full list of patch notes. It may or may not be real. Even if they are real, they could be changed before it goes live.

I think they are quite real accually.

In the quote below I've just copy-pasted everything in the battlelog post.

Interesting changes:

-almost all weapons getting a damage buff.
-Sniper Rifle gets a 1.25 damage multiplier on chest, making it a OHK in 15m or below.
-all sniper rifles do 80 DMG (SV98, M40A5 and L96 buffed, M98b nerfed)
-changing max range damage drop off on sniper rifles (Making them do more damage in longer range)
-changing all attachments (giving them both advantages and disadavantages)
-almost all weapons have changed accuracy numbers (making them have more or less recoil)


regarding that: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2832654624892540408/ [battlelog.battlefield.com]

he was just posting this

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I've received the data for next patch from DICE.
Proof from Demize99's Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/Demize99/status/170892548670365696 [twitter.com]

First time here?
Check the current damage, attachment, specialization, TTK, BTK etc. charts here:
http://symthic.com/?s=bf3 [symthic.com]
For some clarification what all these values mean, go to that page too. There's some description for the stats. Feel free to ask about them too on Quick questions & answers - topic, not here.

It's not 100% sure yet that the patch will go live with following numbers as Demize99 told me:
Quote:
This is preliminary data, that is to say that it may or may not change, and specifically if there is good community feedback we may either change it immediately or change it in a later update.


The files I received are more specific than the ones we had access to before.

This is not a full list, I haven't analyzed all the data yet.
All the changes and rest of the info that I can get out of these files will be here soon.

Updates to the topic:
18th Feb.
- Added G3A1 max dmg change
- Categorized accuraccy changes
- Added sniper chest multiplier change
- Added more generic info of attachment changes
- Added shotgun damage changes


Red - Nerf
Green - Buff


1. Damage changes
Assault Rifles:
All assault rifles except G3A1
Min damage 17 -> 18.4

G3A1
Min Damage 20 -> 22
Max damage 30 -> 34

Carbines
SCAR-H
Min Damage 17 -> 20


LMGs
M60 & M240B
Max damage 30 -> 34
Min damage 20 -> 22

PKP
Min damage 20 -> 22

M249, M27IAR, RPK-74M
Min damage 17 -> 18.4


Sniper rifles
All sniper rifles:
Upper chest damage multiplier 1 -> 1.25
Note that all the bolt-action sniper rifles will 1hit kill under distances of 15 meters

M98B
Max damage 95 -> 80
Dropoff start dist. 20 -> 15
Dropoff end dist. 75 -> 120

All other bolt-action sniper rifles
Max damage 75 -> 80
Min damage 55 -> 59
Dropoff start dist. 20 -> 15
Dropoff end dist. 75 -> 100

All semiautomatic sniper rifles except SKS:
Min damage: 34 -> 37.5
Dropoff start distance 12 -> 15

SKS
Dropoff end distance 50 -> 60



Shotguns
12g Slug (Auto & Semiauto)
Max damage 50 -> 75
Min damage 34 -> 37.5
Dropoff start dist. 8 -> 15
Dropoff end dist. 40 -> 50

12g Slug (Pump-action)
Min damage 34 -> 37.5
Dropoff start dist. 8 -> 15
Dropoff end dist. 40 -> 50

12g Frag (Auto & Semiauto)
Some weird things in the files, not 100% sure about frags yet.
Looks like only the min direct damage is reduced from 10 to 5

12g Frag (Pump-action)
Max direct hit damage 60 -> 67
Blast damage 30 -> 40

12g Buckshot
Max damage 20 -> 12.5
Dropoff start dist. 4 -> 8
Dropoff end dist. 25 -> 30

12g Flechette
Max damage 14.3 -> 11.2
Min damage 8.4 -> 8
Dropoff start dist. 12 -> 15
Dropoff end dist. 25 -> 30





2. Attachments

Fore grip
Basically before it reduced the horizontal recoil by 50%, in these files it reduces h-recoil only ~20-33% depending on weapon.
It also increases the minimum spread 20% ~ 50% depending on stance and weapon.


Suppressor
Suppressors will not reduce the damage anymore.
Now it will reduce the distance where damage starts/stops to drop off instead.
For most weapons it will decrease the min spread by 25% instead of 50%
Although looks like M60 will still have the same 50% effect.


Heavy barrel
For most of the weapons it decreases ADS min spread by 75 or 50% depending on weapon.
Recoil is still increased by 10 or 15% and HIP min spread by 20-25% depending on weapon.

It doesn't make AN94 100% accurate anymore while aiming down the sight.
Reduces ADS min spread by 75% and only increases recoil by 10%, the hip fire penalty is 20% for AN94
G3A1 is same than AN94 except heavy barrel increases recoil 6.7% and hip fire is increased only 14.3%

For few weapons it also makes Spread increase per shot 10% higher.

It will also increase drop-off end distance by 50% making weapons more deadly at ranges between 50m and 90m, depending on weapon.

Flash suppressor
Will decrease recoil by 17 ~ 25% depending on weapon.
For most weapons it increases hip min spread by 20~25% but some weapons don't have any hip accuracy penalty.


Extended magazine
There seems to be extended magazine for AS VAL which didn't exist before.
With ext mag it will have 30 bullets in a mag instead of 20


I'll have complete list of all these soon -:>-


3. Accuracy changes

Assault rifles
AEK971
Recoil right 0.5 -> 0.3
ADS Min Spread, Not moving 0.2 -> 0.4

AK74M
Recoil up 0.3 -> 0.28
FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 1.5

AN94
Recoil up 0.45 -> 0.3
FirstSRecoilMul 1.5 -> 2

F2000
Recoil up 0.3 -> 0.26

FAMAS
Recoil left 0.6 -> 0.35
Recoil right 0.6 -> 0.5
Recoil decrease 15 -> 18
FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 2.6

G3A1
Recoil up 0.55 -> 0.45
FirstSRecoilMul 1.2 -> 1.8

L85A2
Recoil left 0.4 -> 0.3
Recoil decrease 22 -> 18
Min spread, ADS, not moving 0.4 -> 0.2

M416
FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 2.4




Carbines
AKS74u
Recoil up 0.3 -> 0.28
FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 2.2

HK53
Recoil up 0.3 -> 0.28
Recoil left 0.3 -> 0.2
Recoil right 0.5 -> 0.35
Recoil decrease 22 -> 18

SCAR-H
Recoil decrease 15 -> 13

SG553
Recoil up 0.3 -> 0.25
FirstSRecoilMul 2.5 -> 2.2

QBZ-95B
Recoil left 0.5 -> 0.335
Recoil right 0.5 -> 0.335
Recoil decrease 22 -> 18
Min spread, ADS, not moving 0.4 -> 0.5




LMGs

M240
FirstSRecoilMul 1 -> 1.7

M249
FirstSRecoilMul 1 -> 2.2
Recoil decrease 15 -> 12

M60
FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 1.5

MG36
Recoil decrease 15 -> 13
FirstSRecoilMul 1 -> 1.8

PKP
Recoil up 0.75 -> 0.65
Recoil decrease 7 -> 13
FirstSRecoilMul 1 -> 1.5
Max spread, ADS, not moving 1 -> 3

Type88
Recoil left 0.4 -> 0.3
Recoil right 0.4 -> 0.3
Recoil decrease 15 -> 12
FirstSRecoilMul 1.34 -> 1.5

RPK
Recoil decrease 15 -> 13
FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 1.8

QBB-95
Recoil up 0.45 -> 0.37
Recoil left 0.1 -> 0.4
Recoil right 0.3 -> 0.4
FirstSRecoilMul 1 -> 2
Recoil decrease 15 -> 13




PDWs
AS VAL
Recoil left 0.2 -> 0.25
Recoil right 0.3 -> 0.45
Recoil decrease 22 -> 18

PDW-R
Recoil decrease 22 -> 18
FirstSRecoilMul 2.5 -> 2
Min spread, ADS, not moving 0.4 -> 0.5
Min spread, ADS, moving 0.6 -> 0.8
Min spread, HIP, not moving
^ Standing 1.5 -> 2
^ Crouching 1 -> 1.5
^ Prone 0.75 -> 1
Min spread, HIP, moving
^ Standing 2 -> 2.5
^ Crouching 1.5 -> 2
^ Prone 1.25 -> 1.5

MP7
Min spread, HIP, not moving, prone & crouching 0.75 -> 1.2
Min spread, HIP,moving, prone & crouching 1.25 -> 1.5

P90
Min spread, HIP, not moving, prone & crouching 0.75 -> 1.2
Min spread, HIP,moving, prone & crouching 1.25 -> 1.5

PP-19
Recoil decrease 25 -> 20
FirstSRecoilMul 2.5 -> 2
Min spread, HIP, not moving, prone & crouching 0.75 -> 1.2
Min spread, HIP,moving, prone & crouching 1.25 -> 1.5

PP2000
Min spread, HIP, not moving, prone & crouching 0.75 -> 1.2
Min spread, HIP,moving, prone & crouching 1.25 -> 1.5

UMP45
Min spread, HIP, not moving, prone & crouching 0.75 -> 1.2
Min spread, HIP,moving, prone & crouching 1.25 -> 1.5




Pistols

G18
Recoil up 0.7 -> 0.5

M9
RecoilDecrease 15 -> 30

M93R
Recoil up 0.5 -> 0.4
Recoil left 0.4 -> 0.2
Recoil right 0.4 -> 0.2
FirstSRecoilMul 2.5 -> 2

.44 Magnum
Spread increase 0.6 -> 0.3


Sokolovac wrote:
Please remember that these stats may get tweaked slightly according to community feedback.

Amance
2012-02-18, 21:47
Thanks for sharing.

The changelog is quite long, and it doesn't worth to make much comments till we are sure that it is 100% legit.

However the changes make sense to me. Weapons definitely need some balancing to counter overused/overpowered ones. I don't really understand the increase in damage tough. I hope that it won't get too close from hardcore mode.

About the snipers, there is clearly an issue and always the same are used. Dice can't differentiate them with the recoil, so the only things that the studio can change are:

-The clip size
-The fire speed/reload time
-The damages

The space for balancing and differenciation is quite narrow...

-Fast fire rate sniper which requires HS to OSH. Lower damage at range.
-Slow fire rate sniper which has better damage at range plus a chance to OSH if shot reach the body (front/back?)

I don't really agree with the buff at short range.

Finally, the changes in accessories announced a while ago look really good:

[url=http://http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/battlefield-3-attachment-tweaks-incoming (http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/battlefield-3-attachment-tweaks-incoming/)

Vercetti
2012-02-18, 23:03
Faster gameplay, and it will look more like COD..... *sigh*

ExLee
2012-02-19, 01:46
Sniper Rifle gets a 1.25 damage multiplier on chest, making it a OHK in 15m or below

WTF, it's gonna be Bad Company 2 all over again... And I was just getting better at shooting people in the head...

This kind of bullshit makes me wonder whether DICE decides to make such absurd changes if they get 1000 complains from CoD kids who can't OHK anyone while quick-scoping...

Burning
2012-02-19, 12:11
Nooooes

Why dice, WHY ,..WHY
Why nerf PDW's more, omg
why OHK ...


DICE has their head up their ass one that. PDW is cqc . therfor hipfiring.

WhiteMoose
2012-02-19, 21:17
To be honest, I don't think the Recon changes will do much. It's still just the upper chest, and just 15m.

Caveman
2012-02-20, 05:39
Nice find Whitmoose, I am awaiting these changes for a while now.
Still wonder where the free walk arround mode is like in BC2 ÂÂ*8O ÂÂ*:cry: